ones who got put on trial were the ones who committed war crimes, and not even all of them, just the ones involved in the Holocaust, the really bad guys. And most of them only served a few years jail time and were released back into Germany. There were millions of others, some were true believers then and Iâm sure still are. Doesnât surprise me at all that there are still some guys out there.â
âYou think theyâre mostly just old guys from World War II?â
âNot at all. Those guys have continued to peddle their Kool-Aid. Theyâll tell anybody who will listen that Germany has never been as organized and running as well as it did during Hitlerâs years before the war. Thatâs what they claim to want to return to. Hitlerism without the war.â
âIsnât that illegal in Germany?â
He chuckled and shook his head, âSure, if they call themselves Nazis or start throwing around the swastika. Theyâre usually smart enough not to do that. They call themselves something else; but when they get into the room where no one is there other than those theyâve known for twenty years, then the real stuff comes out. No, theyâre still there theyâre still active. Itâs real.â
âThe marchers wore swastikas.â
âPretty bold for Germany. Thatâs why they wore masks, no doubt.â
I picked up the small blue stress ball that was sitting on his desk and began playing with it. It was from a local pizza restaurant and had their phone number on it. I squeezed it a few times as I thought about what he had said. I didnât say anything.
He finally asked. âIs that it?â
âNo,â I answered. âTell me whether this is a big problem or just a side show we donât have to worry about.â
âIn Germany?â
âNo, everywhere. In the U.S., Germany, wherever.â
He sat forward and leaned his elbows on the desk. âItâs a big problem and itâs getting bigger. Here and elsewhere. Itâs like a poison. It infects almost every society that it touches.â
âAnd thatâs what youâre working on? Thatâs what youâre doing?â
âHere in the U.S. Yeah. Iâm trying. Itâs a tough nut.â
âWhatâs so tough about it?â
âWell, mostly the First Amendment. In the U.S. these assholes can say anything they want as long as it doesnât call for the violent overthrow of the United States, or incite riots or conspire to commit crimes. But whatâs it to you? Just because you encountered these guys in Germany, now itâs your thing?â
I stood up to leave. I shrugged. âIt just got to me.â
He sat back and scratched his gray hair. âWe can do some things about it, but we canât make them think differently.â
âBut you said itâs getting worse.â
âIt is.â
I looked out into the hallway and thought. I looked back at him. âThen weâve got to do more. This is bullshit.â
He stood and tucked his shirt into his overly tight belt. âIf youâre that interested, then you better come with me.â
âFor what?â
âThereâs somebody I want you to meet.â
* * *
We pulled out of the parking garage in his Honda Accord. âWhere we going?â
âTo meet somebody.â
âWho?â
âYou wondered what we were doing about all these neo-Nazis. Well, maybe you should meet one. Heâs one of our best CIs.â
This was unusual, to say the least. We didnât get to meet other agentsâ confidential informants unless we were working the program. But if he was going to let me meet him, I wasnât about to let the opportunity pass.
We drove away from D.C. down State Route 29 into rural Virginia and finally entered Warrenton. We parked on Main Street and went into the Southern Café. Karl picked a booth toward the back. He glanced at his watch
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